Scholia to Iliad In the Iliad this motif occurs as soon as Nestor is introduced, when he intervenes in the quarrel between Achilles and Agamemnon Iliad 1. But now I wish to inquire and ask about another story from Nestor, since he beyond others knows justice and wisdom; for they say that he has ruled during three generations of men , and so to me he seems like an immortal when I look at him.
The motif is the same in the two poems, but what makes the poems seem related is not only this, but also the way in which the motif is deployed in the Odyssey. Nestor does not need to be reintroduced in the Odyssey because he has already been introduced in the Iliad , and that introduction is now assumed.
But the Odyssey rarely shows its awareness of the Iliad in such a positive way; it does so more tellingly in a negative way, by not repeating episodes from the Iliad in its reminiscences of the Trojan war this complementary distribution of thematic material was observed by D.
The implication of such a complementary distribution of thematic material is that the Iliad and the Odyssey were meant to be experienced together as one composite, unified work. What this means for the genesis of the two poems is a question to which I will return later in this study. The issue, however, is not only whether the Odyssey is aware of the Iliad , but whether the Iliad is also aware of the Odyssey. If the latter proposition can be demonstrated it has clear implications for the genesis of the two poems.
Aristarchus scholia to Iliad But the two cases are different. In order to have fifty sons Priam had to have them by more than one woman, whereas Neleus did not have to have more than one wife to have his twelve sons. More importantly, there was no tradition for any wife of Neleus but Chloris as far as we know, and as far as Aristarchus knew.
Hesiod fr. Kiechle ; here there was a temple of Asklepios Strabo 8. According to Pausanias 3. All six are in the Iliad , five of them Trojans or Trojan allies, to wit: one of two sons of Priam slain on a single chariot by Diomedes 5. The remaining figure named Chromios is one of five Pylians around whom Nestor arranges his forces 4.
The fact that this figure is a Pylian like the son of Neleus in Odyssey The origin of this list is not known. Frame — Frame Wikander Hellanicus FGrHist a F See below for the Neleids of Miletus. Momigliano n1. The idea that the twelve sons of Neleus represented the dodecapolis is undeniably vague, and it is a mistake to imagine that it was ever intended to be otherwise.
Herodotus 1. A later myth, first attested by Herodotus 1. The cult celebrated at the Panionia was dedicated to Poseidon Helikonios Herodotus 1. But he breathed forth his spirt and bellowed, as when a bull bellows as it is dragged around the altar of the Helikonian lord; youths drag him, and the earth-shaker is gladdened by them.
Strabo 8. There were, however, cults of Poseidon Helikonios elsewhere: in Miletus Pausanias 7. Busolt n4 and Peter Hommel in Kleiner et al. Odysseus's son Telemachus travels to Pylos to inquire about the fate of his father. Nestor receives Telemachus kindly and entertains him lavishly but is unable to furnish any information on his father's fate. Also appearing in the Odyssey are Nestor's wife Eurydice a mythological figure separate from Orpheus's wife of the same name and their remaining living sons: Echephron , Stratius , Perseus , Aretus , Thrasymedes and Peisistratus.
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